Ali Greene talks about being a full time digital nomad for the last 2 years while working as a full- time salaried employee in a senior management position as “Director of People Operations” at DuckDuckGo. She explains the concept of “co-living”, discusses the different lifestyle infrastructure choices available for digital nomads, and shares which ones she likes best and why. She explains the importance of having control over your location and mobility, as well as the importance of curating intentional communities of people who inspire and empower you in meaningful ways. Ali then talks about her passion for street art as a transformative expressive medium. She also shares her analysis about how digital nomadism is transforming work, community and society at large, but emphasizes the importance of pro-active relationship building for long term sustainability of the lifestyle. She then moves on to talk about her professional work in People Operations, and explains how she helped her company grow 80% in 2 years through adjustments in their People Ops with a focus on gender diversity. She gives specific tactical advice on hiring practices, managing an internationally distributed team, and performing as a senior manager from different time zones around the world. She talks about what “company culture” really means, the importance of it, and how to build it meaningfully with a fully remote staff. She talks about some of the unique productivity hacks she uses, including “context switching” by physically changing work locations multiple times throughout the day to correspond with different tasks. She also shares why dyes her hair pink and blue and once joined an axe-throwing league!
Episode #12: Axe Throwing, Seeing the World Through Street Art, And Using “People Ops” to Increase Your Company Growth by 80% in 2 Years with Ali Greene
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Ali Greene
Ali Greene is an expert in Organizational Behavior, Human Resources and People Operations. For the last decade, her passion and focus has been on the future of work as more companies are opting for non-traditional work environments. She has consulted on People Ops for companies ranging in size from Start Ups to 200+ employees. She is currently the Director of People Ops at DuckDuckGo where she oversees the overall employee experience, and is responsible for intentionally crafting how business and operational decisions impact the company culture as an internationally distributed company. At DuckDuckGo she implemented a new hiring process strategy that helped the company grow over 80% in 2 years with a focus on gender diversity. She has also been a "digital nomad" since 2016 and has been to 30 different countries. She is passionate about learning through travel and the impact of remote work and nomadic communities on personal relationships, communities, and society at large. On a personal level, she is obsessed with seeing street art around the world, she helped paint a street mural in South Philadelphia, and she was a member of an ax-throwing league!
What You'll Learn
- How the Digital Nomad Movement is Changing Personal, Professional and Romantic relationships as well Changing Out Concepts of Community and Belonging.
- Why “People Ops” Is so Important for Workplace Diversity, Female Empowerment, building an Inspiring Company Culture, and Overall Business Growth.
- How to Optimize Your Productivity and Reduce Stress Through Techniques like “Context Switching” and Changing Locations Multiple Times During the Workday
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CHECK OUT REMOTE WORKS CONSULTING
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- Hacker Paradise (Use This Link for $100 Discount)
- Sun and Co
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STREET ART LOCATIONS DISCUSSED:
- Barcelona, Spain
- Bogota, Colombia
- Sao Paulo, Brazil
- Valparaiso, Chile
- Medellin, Colombia (Communa 13)
- Tam Thanh, Vietnam (Mural Village)
OTHER DESTINATIONS MENTIONED:
- Los Angeles, CA
- Canada
- Washington, DC
- Philadelphia, Pennsylvania
- Mexico
- Detroit, Michigan
- New York City
- Serbia
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Time Stamped Show Notes
REMOTE WORKS CONSULTING[02:43] MATT AND ALI DISCUSS NAIROBI, KENYA
- She shares her experience in Kenya
[06:14] JOINING AN AXE THROWING LEAGUE
- Why Ali Joined an Axe Throwing League
- How an Axe Throwing League Works
[09:00] HOW ALI GOT INTO THE DIGITAL NOMAD LIFESTYLE
- Ali’s Upbringing
- Moving Around and Learning How to Be Adaptable
- Why Her Attempts to “Put Down Roots” Weren’t Fulfilling
[16:06] TODAY’s DIGITAL NOMAD LANDSCAPE AND LIFESTYLE CHOICES
- Backpacking and Hostels
- Co-Living and Co-Working
- Ali’s Favorite Co-Living Space in Spain
- Concepts for Nomad Community Formation
- Professional Work-Travel Programs
- Informal International Meet-Ups
- Ali’s Organized Meetups in Serbia and Mexico
- Curating Intentional Communities
- What Ali Loves About the Digital Nomad Lifestyle
- Freedom and Control Over Your Environment (Location, People, Etc)
[33:56] HOW ALI DESIGNS HER LIFESTYLE AND CHOOSES HER TRAVEL LOCATIONS
- Factors that Influence Ali’s Travel Decisions and Location Selection
- Why She Now Travels Slower
- Why She Prioritizes People in Her Travel Decisions
[36:52] ALI’s LOVE FOR STREET ART
- What Ali Loves About Street Art
- Why Ali Identifies with Street Artists
- Matt and Ali’s shared street art experience in Vietnam
- Street Art in Bogota, Colombia
- Barcelona Street Art
- Sao Paulo, Brazil Street Art
- Street Art and Hip Hop Culture in Communa 13 in Medellin, Colombia
[54:13] THE TRANSFORMATIVE IMPACT OF DIGITAL NOMADISM
- The Impact of Digital Nomadism on Community and Relationships
- In-Person vs. Virtual Relationships
- The Importance of Intentionally and Proactively Seek Out Connection
- The Distinction between Remote Work and Digital Nomadism
- The Real Value of Location Independence
[01:03:46] HOW ALI PERFORMS A SENIOR MANAGEMENT ROLE WHILE TRAVELING THE WORLD
- Ali’s Responsibilities as Director of People Operations at DuckDuckGo
- How Ali Executes Her Role While Living in Different Time Zones
- Remote Strategies for Hiring the Right People
[01:13:32] PEOPLE OPERATIONS AND COMPANY CULTURE
- How Companies Should Think About People Operations at Different Growth Stages
- The Distinction Between “HR” and “People Ops”
- How and Why to Build Company Culture
- Prioritizing Diversity and Female Empowerment in the Workplace
- Strategies for Transparency and Equality in the Workplace
- Progressive Policies Around Parental Leave and Flexibility
[01:30:41] OPTIMIZING PRODUCTIVITY, TIME MANAGEMENT AND STRESS REDUCTION
- The “Big Rocks” Theory of Time Management
- The Importance of Self-Forgiveness
- How to Think About Time Management
- Why Ali Rejects “Routine”
- Ali’s “Context Switching” Technique for Optimizing Her Productivity
- Ali’s Techniques for Manages Stress
[01:42:12] THE LIGHTNING ROUND
- Ali’s Top Book Recommendation
- Ali’s Top App Recommendation
- Ali’s Top Blog/Website
- Ali’s Top 3 Travel Destinations
- Ali’s Top 3 Bucket Destinations
- Ali’s Favorite Michigan Sports Team
[01:45:26] HOW TO CONTACT AND FOLLOW ALI
- How to Use the Services of DuckDuckGo
- How to Follow Ali on Social Media
